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Lies of Mirza- Galantry of his Grandfather

Posted in Heresies of Mirza by crankthatskunk on March 14, 2009

Preface

It has been a while since we posted our first article on the Blog; challenging Quadianis to produce any credible evidence from any authentic Sikh’s source or from any other credible and verifiable historical book to back up claims of Mirza in respect of his grandfather’s bravery. But nothing has been produced to clear the reputation of Mirza.

Grandfather’s Gallantry

Let’s remind the readers what Mirza writes for the gallantry of his Grandfather.

It is a seldom occurrence that religious opponents praise their enemies. But I have heard some amazing facts from Sikhs whose forefathers fought battles against him (Grandfather of Mirza). People described to me that some time Mirza Sahab would alone engage in a battle against thousands of man and win. No one could dare come close to him, despite valiant efforts by the enemies. They tried to kill him with bullets mortars and cannon rounds but no bullet or mortar would have any affect on him. This miracle of his was described by many of his friends and foes, even by the Sikhs, who have described it from certified accounts by their fathers and Grandfathers. But for me it is nothing extraordinary some people spent a long period in wars but never received any wounds due to miracle from God. So if this miracle is described properly that God kept him safe from enemy’s fire then there is no harm in proclaiming it (miracle).

In the absence of any response from Quadianis and lack of any historical evidence for the utter nonsense and lies of Mirza. We thought it would be a good idea to see what other evidence we could find in the literature of the cult.

Great Grandfather’s reluctance to use Alcohol

Before we proceed to display the evidence regarding his grand father, we present evidence about his great grandfather.

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Mirza writes;

It is beneficial to write my Great Grandfather Mirza Gul Muhammad died due to hiccups and other ailments. During his illness the Physicians agreed that use of Alcohol for few days would be beneficial. But they did not have the courage to say it to him. In the end some of them in a very soft (cautious) manner asked him (for use of Alcohol). He (GGF) said if Khuda Talla (again this horrid word is used by Mirza) wanted to give me recovery then there are other medicines for this recovery. I do not want to use this dirty thing (alcohol); I am happy with the Will of Khuda (SWT). After few days he died. Death is the destiny but his way of Taqwa was always remembered. Human do anything to avoid death, but he prefer death over use of Alcohol. I have pity on those youngsters; wealthy and aristocrats, they use alcohol like water in defiance of the decree of Khuda Talla (SWT). This way they make their lives dirty and abhorrent, they die before their time suffering from dangerous diseases.

We suggest that his Great Grandfather was slightly unlucky, if he hanged on a little bit longer; he could have found out his Great Grandson declaring use of Alcohol permissible within the confinement of the house.

What would we say about the hypocrisy of Mirza? He is accusing others for the use of Alcohol but he himself used intoxicants majority of his adult life, according to available evidence from his writings.

Let’s move to the evidence for his Grandfather bravery.

Grandfather was a looser

Mirza writes;

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In short when my Great Grandfather died his son my Grandfather Mirza Ata Muhammad took over the helm. During his time due to Khuda Talla’s wisdom and wishes Sikhs won the battle. My grandfather tried different strategies to safeguard his fiefdom but fate was not with him, he failed. No scheme worked, the Sikhs continued to conquer villages after villages of his fiefdom, in the end my grandfather was left only with Qadian. At that time Qadian was like a fort with four towers. Army was stationed on the towers with cannons. The walls of the city were 22 feet high and as wider. They were so wide that three carts could easily travel on the width of it. One group of the Sikhs called “Ram Gharia” first entered Quadian using deception then they captured Quadian too. At that time my elders suffered heavy losses; they were captured like the Jews; all their belongings were taken away from them. Mosques and nice houses were demolished. They cut trees in the farms due to their ignorance and prejudice.

Some mosques were converted to their “Dharam Shala” place of worship; one mosque is still under their control. That day our library was burned which had five hundreds hand written specimen of the Quran. They desecrated the Quran when they set them alight.

Sikhs after deliberations ordered our elders to leave the town. All the men and women ordered to leave on the carts. They took refuge in another fiefdom in Punjab. Shortly afterwards my grandfather was poisoned by his enemies.

The evidence in Mirza’s own words is devastating for his followers. There should be absolutely no doubt that Mirza lied through his teeth when he said that his grandfather could fight alone against thousands of soldiers.

The facts are bare in his own writings that during the period of his grandfather, they suffered defeat after defeat from the hands of the Sikhs. His grandfather lost all of his fiefdom gradually to the Sikhs. In the end he couldn’t defend Quadian against his enemies despite having good defenses in the words of Mirza to repeal advances by the Sikhs.

Another; glaring facts emerges from this quotations that his grandfather died allegedly after poison was given to him by his enemies. Without much independent evidence we off course could not confirm it. But fact remains in the words of Mirza, his grandfather did not die gallantly fighting against the enemies. He died an ignominious death after he lost all his territory he lost his home town, his people dispel from their homes. His properties burned down by the enemies. Where was the man Mirza described who could fight against thousands of people on his own? Where was the man his enemies could not kill by guns and mortars? Why did he lose each and every battle against his enemies? Why he couldn’t defend his home town despite good defenses? Surely he could have come out and defeated his enemies single handedly; after all according to Mirza they couldn’t kill him with bullets and mortars.

The fact of the matter is; habitual liars can not keep charade of their lies for long. In case of Mirza he has destroyed his own case.

The purpose of our first article was to show to the readers that Mirza was not a Sadiq. Mirza repeatedly claims to be Second Advent of Prophet Muhammad SAW. He also falsely claimed to be better then the first advent of Prophet Muhammad SAW i.e. he actually falsely claimed that he was better then Prophet SAW. There is no concept of Second Advent or Zil, barooz, reincarnation in Islam. We have covered this topic in our earlier article.

Prophet Muhammad SAW before his call was known as “As-Sadiq” amongst the Meccan. Mirza is proven a liar in his own words over and over again. He surely was not equal to the dirt of Prophet Muhammad’s SAW feet let alone be a better advent.

Conclusions

We have once again demonstrated with evidence from the writings of Mirza that he was a liar. He repeatedly lied in every aspect of his life. He was a bald face liar who was in the habit of exaggeration.

Most important point is can a habitual liar be chosen as a Prophet by Allah SWT?

Even for time being we set aside that there are no Prophets after Prophet Muhammad SAW. How Quadianis in their right minds could trust anything Mirza written?

We Muslims have listed lies after lies by Mirza. We find no answers, no probable explanations in response to our Articles from any of his followers.

There is absolutely no doubt of Mirza’s lies and deceptions, he was nothing but a cheap crook that fooled simple villagers who were superstitious due to their illiteracy and they were lacking knowledge of the Islam. Mirza did it for monitory gains. There is plenty of evidence in his writings which demonstrate that all the gimmicks and lies Mirza performed was to obtain money with deception.

He was a common criminal, a lazy person who was not in the habit of working. He himself admitted it when he left his job at Sialkot; he intend to spend rest of his life on “Tawakul” i.e. money given by others. He had only one intention, to safeguard income for his family and his coming generations.

We are also of the strong opinion that his second wife played a major role in Mirza’s dishonesty and his claims. We intend to explore it in our future articles.

Another glaring fact emerges from this evidence; his Great Grandfather was named Gul Muhammad (Flower of Muhammad SAW) his grandfather was named Ata Muhammad (gift of Muhammad SAW) his father was Ghulam of Muhammad SAW exactly like Mirza but this liar still ignored his family history and claimed that he is the real Ahmed i.e. Prophet Muhammad SAW. After accepting to be the Ghulam or servant of Muhammad SAW this liar claimed to be the Master.

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  1. madani l'algerian said, on June 5, 2010 at 9:21 am

    mirza ghulam qadiani est pire que satan ,satan(iblis) na3alahou ALLAH na pas insulté les prophetes 3alihim salam ,mais le chien de qadian mirda ghulam ibn zina a insulté les prophete (3alahim salam) on attend toujour la fatwa de nos choyoukhs sunna wal djama3a pour combatre ses batards d’israel. salam 3alikoum ya ahl sunna

  2. madani l'algerian said, on June 5, 2010 at 9:20 am

    mirza ghulam qadiani est pire que satan ,satan(iblis) na3alahou ALLAH na pas insulté les prophetes 3alihim salam ,mais le chien de qadian mirda ghulam ibn zina a insulté les prophete (3alahim salam) on attend toujour la fatwa de nos choyoukhs sunna wal djama3a pour combatre ses batards d’israel

  3. Abid Ghaffar said, on March 29, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Why don’t you allow my posts? Der is no such thing as copyright in Islam by the way. You still haven’t told me why u keep puttin ‘we’? Why don;t u use ‘I’ if your’re 1 person and main thing why no references? It seem like you are doing this for fame.

  4. Abid Ghaffar said, on March 25, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Could I just ask, who is “we”? And why do you never post any references?

  5. Abid Ghaffar said, on March 25, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Can I just ask, who is ‘we’? And why do you never post any references?

    • crankthatskunk said, on May 29, 2010 at 9:28 am

      Ghaffar,

      We do not block any one’s comments. This blog is not administered on daily basis. Any delay in display of a particular message is due to this fact. As soon as we read the message it is display.

      The only exception to this policy is for one user, who has written many comments to attack Prophet Muhammad SAW. His attacks are borrowed from Islam and Muslim hating sites. We have kept his messages safe and they would be display with proper and detail responses.

      It is time consuming therefore, it could only be tackle when time permits to do justice to the material produced. We can guarantee every Qadiani readers there is absolutely no censorship on this blog, as long as no bad and abusive language is used.

      This we is for a singular person, we cannot effort to give you a lecture in lexicon due to the time constraints.

      Did we say, we are claiming copyrights to the Islamic text? The copyright notice is for the legal preservation of our material, we plan to have other uses for this material, for this purpose, it is important that the legal notice is displayed and material could be traceable, for it to be the genuine work of the writer.

  6. afzal ahmad bhatti said, on May 13, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    I just came to your blog. I noticed that you have not provided any exact references so I am not able to verify them.

  7. abc said, on May 12, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    where are all the quotes from?

  8. profitprophet said, on March 16, 2009 at 5:52 am

    Marvelous brother. It conclusively prove that Dajjal of Qadian aka KING of URINAL was shameless liar and hypocrite. btw brother please write an article on Dajjal and use of Alcohol also.

    JazakAllah khair

    Lanatullahi alal kadhibeen

  9. PLEEEZING said, on March 15, 2009 at 2:54 am

    hahaha, excellent post ..

    Mirza’s LIES are exposed again. Blind followers must pay attention. I hope it opens some eyes…


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