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Mirza’s understanding: Earth is Static

Posted in Heresies of Mirza by crankthatskunk on May 4, 2009

Preface

We turn our attention to another subject on the false hood of Mirza. Once again we intend to prove that Mirza lied as usual and he had absolutely no divine revelations.

Mirza regularly claimed that he is the second and better advent of Prophet Muhammad SAW. Mirza also claimed that Allah SWT taught him the Quran and its meaning which were forgotten by the Muslims.

Mirza’s claims of superiority

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Above is the Urdu text and its English translation by Zafrullah; it is from very long paragraphs of alleged revelations, collected from different books and presented to the readers. These alleged revelations are full of plagiarism from the Quran. But for the purpose of this Article we leave that aside.

Before we move on to expose Mirza, it is worth pointing out that Zafrullah was less then honest in the translation of the paragraph produced above. Those who know Urdu can see very clearly that Zafrullah did not translate part of the sentence which says” giving you the meaning of the Quran which was forgotten by the people”. Probably Zafrullah was shy to write that people have forgotten the meaning of the Quran before Mirza. Secondly Zafrullah did not translate last part of the revelations correctly either, Mirza writes in Urdu “I am first of the believers (Momin) in this era, translated by Zafrullah as “I am the foremost of the believers.”

Further more it is also important to point out to the false notions contained in this alleged revelation. Mirza writes “to warn those people whose forefathers were ignorant i.e. not warned before.”

This statement is false on two accounts.

1-     Mirza mostly was preaching to the Muslims in Punjab, trying to convert them towards Quadianiat. His notion is completely false against the Muslims of his era. Their forefathers were off course warned that’s why they were Muslims. Is this heretic wanted to say that Prophet Muhammad SAW was not a Warner? Off course they already had teachings of Prophet Muhammad SAW and the Holy Quran. Therefore, this notion by Mirza is completely and utterly baseless.

2-     If in this passage he meant for Hindus, even then Quadianis face two major problems.

A-    Mirza himself claimed that he is the second coming of “Krishna”. He at other places also tried to proof that “Krishna” was declared a Prophet of God by Hadiths traditions of “the Black” Prophet. Therefore, if Krishna was a Prophet according to Mirza then forefathers of Hindus were off course warned by Allah SWT. We are not dealing with this topic in this article therefore; we leave the soundness of that Hadith for some other time.

B-    How many Hindus were converted by Mirza to his Quadianiat? Does it means he failed miserably in his mission?

We leave it here and turn back to the main purpose of our article; to expose the claims of Mirza that he was taught Quran by Allah SWT and also his false notion that people forgot the meaning of the Holy Quran.

Miracles should not be discounted


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22 January 1906

Miracles,

Hadarath Maulvi Mohammad Ahsan Sahib read part of his Tafsir for the first Book of the Holy Quran. This narration contained verses on Miracles. (No Verses mentioned therefore, no way of knowing)

Hadarat (Mirza) answered; the nature’s laws do not remain the same, but the Word of Khuda Talla (again this horrid word) is always true. Before Naturists (we think Mirza means Scientists) use to think that the sky (heaven) rotate and the earth (does not) rotate. But after research the results are different. It is not good to stick to something as Word of God. Human can not reach (understand) to the reality of everything. To deny miracles on the basis that we have never experienced such thing, is not a good practice. Human do not know all the Laws of the Nature.

Note from Compiler; correction the word not was omitted due to typo error, the sentence should be read as “Earth is static”. (Badar V2 N4 P2)

We find this paragraph completely and utterly smack of any intelligence. A man who has made numerous lofty claims about him being the mightiest of all human and Prophet (nauzobillah) receiving the knowledge from Allah SWT and also being taught Quran by Allah SWT showing such a fundamental errors on the facts which were revealed to Prophet Muhammad SAW 1300 years before Mirza?

 

Mirza was following the Jewish teachings

 

We have maintained from our first article that Mirza teachings were a throw back of earliest Judaism. Here he once again demonstrated his thinking based on old Jewish scriptures and writings. Instead of Quran; Mirza was following the teachings of the Old Testament.

Flat Earth in Ezekiel 7: 2 ‘An end! The end has come upon the four corners of the land.

Further evidence that the Earth is static and sun (i.e. The Sky as Mirza put it) orbit the earth.

Joshua 10:12-13 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

Further evidence from the Bible that Sun rotate around earth; Sun went even backward by Ten Degrees.

2 King 20:11 So Isaiah the prophet cried out to the LORD, and He brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down on the sundial of Ahaz.

 

Mirza made lofty claims all through his life. Claims of to be being the best of the creation and best manifestation of God.

There are many who continue to defame Prophet Muhammad SAW and level bogus charges on the accuracy of the Noble Quran. We Muslims can answer and respond to every academic objection raised against Quran without difficulties but there is little or no point to respond to those whose sole purpose is to spread malicious and false accusations.

The irony is some Christian’s sites with an agenda to malign Islam make lame excuses for those verses in the Bible, which are completely against the scientific evidence.

The purpose of this Blog is to concentrate on the writings of Mirza; therefore, we keep our focus on the task in hand.

Lesson for Quadiani followers

 

Quadiani always bring Laws of Physics or Laws of the Nature in to the discussions when for example discussing the descend of Isa As or Miraj. They should not contradict Mirza; he categorically said that human can not understand all the Laws of the nature or Laws of Physics.

Mirza was not equal to the dirt of Prophet SAW’s feet

We come to the real reason for this brief article. Quadianis always try to prove that Mirza was intelligent or mightiest of all the Messengers of Allah SWT (nauzobillah) based on the lies of Mirza.

This passage also shows Mirza’s lack of understanding of the Quranic revelations.

Even though he has made bold claims in this regard, but it is apparent from deeper study of his writings that he lacked even very basic understanding and knowledge of the Quran.

Quranic evidence for the solar system

First of all Quran in Surah Ya-Sin, described perfectly that the Earth rotates as well as the Moon and the Sun, according to the Laws set out by Allah SWT.

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36:40 (ASAD) [and] neither may the sun overtake the moon, nor can the night usurp the time of day, since all of them float through space [in accordance with Our laws].

Quran has even more miraculous verse, which states, Sun has it orbit too; it is following a path laid down by Allah SWT.

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36:38 And [they have a sign in] the sun: it runs in an orbit of its own [and] that is laid down by the will of the Almighty, the All-Knowing;

There had been confusion on the meaning of this verse. The critics of Islam in the past have taken this verse and used it as a tool to belittle Prophet Muhammad SAW and Quran. But this is one of the most miraculous verses of the Quran. Until recently it was not known to the mankind that Sun has its own orbit. But this verse does not only point to the fact that sun runs in its own orbit but even a bigger fact, which is now proven scientifically with the advancement in this field of the Science. Even though Quran is not the book of Science but Allah SWT has disclosed plenty of Scientific facts in short and precise verses. These facts were not known to human until recently, let alone someone having this knowledge 14 hundreds year ago.

To explain the full meaning we quote the commentary by Asad on this verse;

“In the generally-accepted reading, this phrase is spelled li-mustaqarrin laha, which may be rendered as above or, more conventionally, as “to its point of rest”, i.e., the time (or point) of the daily sunset (Razi). However, Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud is reliably reported to have read these words as la mustaqarra laha (Zamakhshari), which gives us the meaning of “it runs [on its course] without having any rest”, i.e., unceasingly. (Quran Ref: 36:38)

We produced above quote to demonstrate that Muslims knew the true meaning of this verse hundreds of years ago. Well before Mirza ever walked on this earth. Therefore, according to Zamakhshari, Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud reported that this word gives the meaning of “its runs (on its course) without having any rest.

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21:33 and [fail to see that] it is He who has created the night and the day and the sun and the moon – all of them floating through space!

This verse is another proof that Allah SWT has informed us all that the sun and the moon and all other planets with in our solar system are floating or moving through space. Read these two verses together and an amazing picture for the majesty of the Noble Quran comes to light. 36:38 Points that the sun running to its course, laid down by Allah SWT and 21:33 all of them are floating through space.

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أ31:29 Art thou not aware that it is God who makes the night grow longer by shortening the day, and makes the day grow longer by shortening the night, and that He has made the sun and the moon subservient [to His laws], each running its course for a term set [by Him] and that God is fully aware of all that you do?

This verse in Surah Luqman , not only tell us that Sun and Moon are running their course for a term set by Allah SWT but also tell us about the tilth of the Earth which is the reason we experience seasons and shortening of the day light in the winter and lengthening of the day light in the Summer.

 

Scientific Proof for the drift of the solar system

 

We produce evidence from the book “Drifting of the Sun’s family” by a Harvard academic A.K. Bartlett. This book and data is released Courtesy Maria Mitchell observatory and provided by the NASA Astrophysics Data System.

On pages 537/538 Bartlett writes;

The part of the heavens, toward which it is believed the Sun with its entire family of planets, comets, satellites and meteor-streams, including of course, our own Earth, is moving with great velocity, is situated at this season directly overhead about 6 o’clock

In the evening, and at a later hour a little farther toward the northwest. This is one of the most interesting and important localities in the firmament to astronomers, toward which their attention and observation have been directed for many years past.

The greatest fact which modern astronomy has revealed is that our whole solar system is now journey toward the constellation Lyra in the northern heavens, and the greatest of the unsolved problems of astronomy is when, where, and how this journey began, and when, where and how it will end. This journey is unceasing and unchanging, and is believed to be at the rate of twelve miles per second, or about 300,000,000 miles in a year.  The question as to whence we came and whither we are drifting is one of vast importance, and is still engaging the attention, as it has in the past, of the leading astronomers of the world, for in connection with it is involved the even greater question, as it has in the past, of the leading astronomers of the world, for in connection with it is involved the even greater question regarding the structure, extent and boundary of the universe.

If we look up to the sky, directly overhead, just after sunset we shall se a star of the first magnitude known as Vega, which is located in the constellation Lyra, the Harp and is plainly visible throughout most of the evening. This star next to Capella, is the brightest north of the equator, and is famous as being the one which, in 12000 years will occupy the important position of the “pole-star,” and will be known by that name in the future. The star shines with a bluish white light, and may be easily recognized, as it is the most conspicuous of any star visible near the zenith at this seasons.

It is an amazing fact that Quran in very simple and brief manner pointed to these scientific facts. These facts at the time of Quranic revelations were only known to the Creator Allah SWT, as human knowledge and understanding at that time could not comprehend these issues.

Another point worth mentioning is that Prophet Muhammad SAW never made any big claims on these amazing facts revealed in the Quran. Quran itself asks us to reflect on its contents and ponder. We want to keep the discussion focus on the claims, writings and teachings of Mirza. Starting debate with the followers of other Scriptures is not our intention. This blog is created for the sole purpose to expose Mirza’s writings.

Reasons behind Mirza’s quotations

After exposing Mirza’s lack of knowledge of Quranic teachings, we move to the reason why Mirza said that scientists are proving “Earth rotates”.

On 3rd February 1851 a French physicist Leon Foucault conducted an experiment to his colleague, he was then asked by Prince Louise Bonaparte to give a public demonstration on the rotation of the Earth. We quote from Wikipedia;

In 1851, he provided the first experimental demonstration of the rotation of the Earth on its axis (see diurnal motion). This was achieved by considering the rotation of the plane of oscillation of a freely suspended, long and heavy pendulum in the Pantheon in Paris. The experiment caused a sensation in both the learned and popular worlds. In the following year he used (and named) the gyroscope as a conceptually simpler experimental proof.

Near to the time of this Quote in 1906 by Mirza, in 1902 E. Hall at Harvard University conducted an experiment to drop 948 balls from a height of 23 meters. He predicted 1.8mm eastward deviation but achieved a 1.5mm deviation. This experiment also showed a slight southward deviation too.

The Scientific concept and prove of rotation of the Earth was first established by Nicholas Copernicus. His work De revolutionibus orbium coelestium (on the Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres) was published in 1543 just before his death. He established heliocentric model, he demonstrated that motions of celestial objects can be explained without putting the Earth at the centre of the universe. A previously widely held opinion. (source Wikipedia)

Other notable people who work in this field were Galileo and Newton, before the experiment by the French man quoted above.

It is worth pointing to the fate of Galileo when he tried to get permission from Pope Urban VIII to publish a comparison of Ptolemaic and the findings of Copernicus despite prohibition from the Church. He worked on “Dialogue on the two world chief system”. His purpose was to prove infinite space and earth is just another planet, rather then the archaic idea based on the teachings of the Old Testament dogma that the Earth is the centre of the Universe.

During the inquisition trial on 22nd June 1632, Galileo obediently declared;

I, Galileo, son of the late Vincenzio Galilei, Florentine, aged seventy years, arraigned personally before this tribunal and kneeling before you, Most eminent and Lord Cardinals Inquisitors-General against heretical pravity throughout the entire Christian Commonwealth, having before my eyes and touching with my hands the Holy Gospels, swear that I have always believed, do believe, and with God’s help will in the future believe all that is held, preached and taught by the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. But, whereas, after an injunction had been lawfully intimated to me by this Holy Office to the effect that I must altogether abandon the false opinion that the sun is the center of the world and immobile, and that the earth is not the center of the world and moves, and that I must not hold, defend, or teach, in any way, verbally or in writing, the said false doctrine, and after it had been notified to me that the said doctrine was contrary to Holy Scripture, I wrote and printed a book in which I treated this new doctrine already condemned and brought forth arguments in its favor without presenting any solution for them, I have been judged to be vehemently suspected of heresy, that is, of having held and believed that the sun is the center of the world and immobile and that the earth is not the center and moves.

Therefore, desiring to remove from the minds of Your Eminences, and of all faithful Christians, this vehement suspicion rightly conceived against me, with sincere heart and un-pretended faith I abjure, curse, and detest the aforesaid errors and heresies and also every other error, error and sect whatever, contrary to the Holy Church, and I swear that in the future I will never again say or assert verbally or in writing, anything that might cause a similar suspicion toward me; further, should I know any heretic or person suspected of heresy, I will denounce him to this Holy Office or to the Inquisitor or Ordinary of the place where I may be.

There is absolutely no doubt that despite clear cut Verses in the Holy Quran almost a thousand years before the time of Galileo, the Church held this false notion that Earth is centre of the Universe and immovable. To impose this view the Church suppressed Scientific and Astronomical research. We leave it here.

 

 

Conclusions

We have demonstrated that Mirza was referring to this scientific research at the time of his quote, while stating the widely held earlier view of static earth based on Old Testament teachings.

The fact of the matter is that he completely ignored the evidence contained in the Holy Quran of rotation of the Earth and other celestial bodies in our Solar System.

We have also countered Mirza’s false notion that according to the alleged revelations to him, people have forgotten the teachings of the Holy Quran. We shown the example of Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud RA from the Quranic Tafsir by Asad to demonstrate that correct meanings of these verses was very well known to the Muslims from the time of Prophet Muhammad SAW. Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud RA was the 6th person converted to Islam. His (RA) understanding could have only come directly from Prophet SAW.

Mirza was not a recipient of divine revelations; he was a habitual liar, who was in the habit to make lofty claims. A close examination of his claims shows his true colors and personality; making his lofty claims hallow and striping him of any credibility whatsoever.

This is the main purpose of our Blog to strip Mirza completely and show to our readers, that he concocted his revelations based on developments in his era or going through the writings of others and finding whatever suited his purpose, and then twisting those writings to use it for his own claims.

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  1. [...] sahib, mr. crankthatskunk has given you a long list of his blog stuff. Here is one more Mirza’s understanding: Earth is Static Crankthatskunk’s Weblog See how he is unable to comprehend a simple urdu text that and 8th grader can understand fully. [...]

  2. Kamran said, on September 29, 2009 at 6:10 am

    Please read carefully the cutting you posted claiming that Hazrat Mirza sahib considered earth to be static. Did you know error of your comprehension [which seriously limited] by now? I don’t think so.
    So here is the correct translation of that passage
    “Knowledge of physical sciences doesn’t remain the same but the word of God is always true.EARLIER PHYSICISTS THOUGHT THAT SKY ROTATES AND EARTH IS STATIC. Now they think that Earth moves. New research gives us ever varying results. It is not right to stick to a particular thought as if it is the word of GOD. Man cannot understand true science behind everything. Rejecting miracles on the notion that we have never ever seen such things happening, is not a good practice. Man doesn’t have knowledge of all the laws of nature.

    • Kamran said, on September 29, 2009 at 6:17 am

      “KNOWLEDGE OF PHYSICAL SCIENCES DOESN’T REMAIN THE SAME BUT THE WORD OF GOD IS ALWAYS TRUE.” is the essence of the passage. It means scientists and explorers may err. Their knowledge is error prone but the knowledge given to us by Allah thru wahi[Quran] is always true, it doesn’t change.

  3. crankthatskunk said, on May 5, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    Murabi, you surely can leave a message here, like I have done, no need to lie.


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